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Nicky P: Welcome everyone, once again, to another episode of We Came From Celluloid. I am Nicky P, here as always with my brother from another brother, band mate, and you know, personal paragon of virtue, Mr. Brian Pritchard. How are you doing today, Mr. Pritchard?

Brian Pritchard: I am splendid. It's a, it's, it's just a beautiful tornado of activity, my friend, and we are swimming in it.

Nicky P: Splendid is, splendid is definitely one of my favorite words. There's this very famous band known as Maroon 5 that used to have a different name, in which they had a song, Captain Splendid. It's a very fine song, very fine song indeed, that most people have never heard.

Brian Pritchard: Was it literally the same band or just the same singer, or what?

Nicky P: It is literally the same band. Every member of the band. They, they, they used to be a band called Kara's Flowers, and then they started working with, I believe, Green Day's producer, and he told them to change their name, and then they became famous.

Brian Pritchard: Okay. Well, I'm sure they're grateful.

Nicky P: Oh, I, I'm, I'm sure they'd be.

It's, by the way, it's, what's really crazy is they were actually s- in some ways, I think, a better band as Kara's Flowers. Like, you can see kind of where they were gonna go eventually, but they were still really young and, like, probably a little too obsessed with The Beatles at the time. So their songs were a little bit more meandery and less, you know- Pop-centric, but they were way, way more interesting I, I, I thought.

But, you know, I'm a music guy. I'm not a let's go out and be a pop star guy necessarily, so what are you gonna do?

Brian Pritchard: I sent you that Echo Vandal, which I know you didn't seem to really vibe with. Connor showed it to me at practice. Connor h- has been one of the more consistent people to turn me on to new music.

Somehow I think he's, he's always out there looking, and then Friday nights before practice he'll, he'll toss stuff up on YouTube. But I bring up this Echo Vandal in response to that because, I, I was doing a bit of the, the deep dive, and she's got an album coming out, like next week. And, but it's the first album in nine years, right?

And so album one, self-titled album one in 2017, and then album two is coming out next week. I, I'm thinking, "Wow, that's fascinating." And, and th- th- there's w- at least one or two of the singles for this new album have millions of view- of, of views on YouTube. And, remember, as a quick aside, it's fascinating to live in a world where that doesn't m- mean that you're famous.

You know what I mean? Like, that having millions of views of a thing doesn't mean you're a household name or, you know? Like, that's, that's bizarre to me. But no, the, I, I, it just makes me wonder, like, have they been continuing to plug away for all this time? And there's probably singles and other, like, new m- material that came out, but yeah, certainly not another album.

W- I mean, we're in the same boat, but we're also not, like, young, pretty people. They were a band of young, pretty people. You know what I mean? And, and I was going like, damn, if, if it didn't, if it didn't work for you 10 years ago, like, I don't know. Part of it's just impressive when, when, whenever anybody stays in the game, um- I, I admire lifers

Nicky P: I have long since said that that's the, the only thing different between the people that make it and the people that don't is staying in it long enough.

Like, eventually you're probably going- just by the sheer odds of being in a place long enough, you're going to, gonna find something that works eventually, right? Or, or you would probably quit. So you keep doing it long enough, you'll probably find that thing. I also did a deep dive 'cause I'm never one to, to just let one terrible, terrible song, like, turn me off to an artist.

I did discover that she has many, many terrible songs that in no way endeared me to the artist. But, you know, to-

Brian Pritchard: But they were all very different from each other, right? Will you at least acknowledge that there was a range?

Nicky P: Well, yeah, and that was ac- that was actually part of the problem. Like, her range was...

You probably should have a couple different bands selling this product that is different at every turn. Like, part of the idea of having a, a, a brand or a persona and all that is so that you can, you know, find people that like a thing that you do. When you're constantly doing different things, it's difficult to, like, find what that thing is.

Like, she was rapping horribly on some tracks and she was shrieking on some other tracks and ultimately she's just not for me.

Brian Pritchard: Then you must hate Ween.

Nicky P: Oh, no, I love Ween. Love Ween.

Brian Pritchard: Oh, so what's the difference?

Nicky P: Honestly, probably a penis. While I don't go out to outwardly not like female vocalists-

Brian Pritchard: Get her.

Gotcha.

Nicky P: No, I, while I don't outwardly go out to not like female vocalists, l- I tend to not like female vocalists.

Brian Pritchard: That's interesting. I didn't know that.

Nicky P: Um- Now granted, I do h- I do have female vocalists that I fucking love, like Gwen Stefani may be one of the greatest singers of all time in my world. You know, the girl, what's it, the girl from Camera Obscura I would f- could f- listen to for every minute of the rest of my life and be very content.

It's just I'm super, super picky about it.

Brian Pritchard: Mars Volta comes to mind. Mars Volta, I've been a fan of for a long time, and they're, they're an odd one to kind of pin down in terms of band identity. They, they've made a point of sort of, um- Being almost hostile to any attempts to, like, you know what I mean?

Like, categorize them and stuff like that.

Nicky P: Oh, no, no, they're open... They're openly hostile. N- not even, like, kind of hostile. They're openly hostile to any type of band identity. You know, and, and they're a band... I'm gonna be honest, I don't particularly like Mars Volta. I respect Mars Volta and what they do, but, like, musically it's just, I don't know, never quite got to me.

And what's funny is because, you know, where I, I come from the emo world and they're very much a part of that whole second wave emo thing. Well, At the Drive-In, they have their roots in it, sure. To me, I hear very little difference between the two, other than maybe a little bit in more of a defined song structure.

But- Uh,

Brian Pritchard: I don't

Know. I think they're fantastic. Have you done much of a deep dive on Mars Volta?

Nicky P: I mean, it- I'll say this, not in a number of years. Like, when they were around and popular, I- they were constantly a part of the shit that I was, the people that I was around and whatnot, and- Okay.

Brian Pritchard: So probably those first two records, but maybe not as much.

Nicky P: Yeah, no, I mean, I... And, and, and, you know, maybe that's to my detriment that maybe I just didn't like those first two records and, you know, they've done more interesting things since. But, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's sometimes unfortunately how it goes, you know? You, you get attracted to what you get attracted to.

And, and artists do change. Like, the first two Weezer albums are the best Weezer albums by fucking miles because Matt Sharp, no matter how much you wanna pretend he had no effect on the band, like, shit was better when he was in the band. Yeah, you know, y-

Brian Pritchard: Y- it's making me think of this, deep versus shallow sort of concept, that, that o- oddly I remember first coming up in the business world, where they talk about you can have a network that's, like, a mile wide but only an inch deep or...

You know what I'm saying? It's, it's, like, or whatever, a half mile wide and 10 feet deep or whatever, you know, goofy metaphor you wanna use. But, but I was thinking of that same notion of going, like- When we were talking with, Joey Steele last night, you know, like I, I noted with interest, some of it was even before we hit record that you guys were clicking on rattling off a bunch of bands that you guys knew that I didn't, you know?

And I don't think of myself really as being a music connoisseur. I'm more of a movie, like, connoisseur, right? Even than, than I go out and find bands. With, with bands, I've tended to be more on the, not as wide, but going very deep, right? That if I, I... My, my in- instinct has always been if I found even a single song I liked, that really moved me.

I, I, I may have shared this on the show before, in life with you, but my, one of my earliest memories of, of the relationship with music was hearing We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions, hearing those Queen songs. Probably Bohemian Rhapsody and Wayne's World as well and then just being like, "I want to hear every song that they ever made," you know?

And going to the library and getting every CD out that my local library had, using the system to order CDs from other libraries, just like, I wanted to know what was their discography. And, and, and it would work the same way with m- with movies, where the Leonard Maltin movie guide had this, like primitive version of IMDb in the back, where you could, you could l- like look up directors or actors by, al- alphabetically and it would have a list of their credits.

And, and those things would loom large in, in, in my imagination in a pre on-demand age, you know, of, of going like, there was just these titles, these titles and these descriptions, and, and it was like if your local video store didn't have it, if the local library didn't have it, if the Record Exchange didn't have it, then it, it was like this mystique could be formed and built up around like, yeah, what is that movie?

What is that album? What does that song sound like? I kinda miss that, honestly. Like, I still, I still approach things that way, it's just usually the answers, are not hard to find. It's, it's rare that there's a mystery anymore, you know?

Nicky P: Well, so what I will say is yes, but that's until you start getting into niche things.

So one of the things that did come up in the interview with Joey Steeles, we were talking about, like you were like, "Wow, you like, you know people that he know people that like you fanboy over," and stuff. Like this- and, and we were talking about well it's, but that's 'cause it's not the world's biggest group of people.

Like, the people that are into punk rock is a very particular group of people, especially the ones that are like into hardcore and like all of the punk rock. People not, not the people who say, "Oh, I listen to Green Day and Blink-182," you know, modern pop versions of it. Like that early '90s skate rock and stuff.

Um- 'Cause I'm gonna tell you right now, I had a song that, sticks with me. It was on one compilation from when I was a kid, and I can find nothing else about, like, the, this song. I could find references to it on the internet, but the song does not exist on the internet, Brian. Nowhere. Cannot find it. I had to go buy a disc player, because modern computers don't come with CD players.

So I had to go and buy a CD player and find someone that had that comp and is selling it secondhand on eBay to find this one song that I wanted to hear from my youth. And that's the... Oh, mind you, you go and find, like, this one bedtime story about Peter Pan's shadow from your childhood on the internet. I can't find this one song by what was ostensibly a popular punk band from the '90s.

Brian Pritchard: No, you're right. That, that came into my mind, too. Yep.

Nicky P: There are places that you- you- things do get wonky when you're looking for them. Like, the fan bases aren't that big, but the people that are, are there. Like, they're... This is your shallow versus deep thing. Like, it's the 1,000 true fans model. Do you need 100,000 people that worship you or do you need, you know, 1,000 people that worship you?

You know. A 100,000 people that are ki- like, kinda lukewarm about you, I guess, is what I mean to say. You know, or 1,000 people that think you're the greatest thing ever, you know. You want the diehards. You know, when you c- as a, and as a marketer, you go through your email list. You don't want the people that have never fucking read your emails.

You get rid of those people. They're, they're dead weight on your email list. You want the people that read everything you have to say and are going to eventually buy something.

Brian Pritchard: Yeah, no, that's true. There's some power in knowing what your real numbers are, certainly. And-

Nicky P: Go, like, taking it back to that girl that we're talking about.

It's very good that she is so good at turning me off, 'cause I'm never gonna waste her time by being a fluffy number. I'm, I'm not gonna buy her stuff. So it's just best I stay out of that world. Don't communicate with those people. Let them, let them enjoy the thing that they enjoy, you know. It's, she's carving her niche.

Brian Pritchard: Well, I, I, I, I am, I'm one of the fans that I want to find for us, if that phrasing makes sense. Meaning that, that I, I find her stuff, I get excited, I do the deep dive, I buy it, I join the email list. I'm paying attention now and going, "Now my antenna is on, is out for when a tour is gonna be within even a few hours."

It doesn't even have to be in Cleveland. I'll drive. You know what I mean? And, and that's what I do with the artists I love. And then I, I send it to you. I send it to Jimmy B. It's like I'm, I'm s- I'm, anybody that I'm texting with that day, I'm sorta going like, "Hey, check this out," right? And, um- That's, that's what we need.

That's what everybody needs, right? Is you need, you need some of those people in your life that, that, that, that I

Nicky P: Mean, I mean, you never lis- you never listened to the song I sent you the other day, but that's whatever, you know. We don't have to make a thing out of it.

Brian Pritchard: Man, listen, when, when... The timing of things matters, right?

I don't drop what I'm doing to fucking click on links that anybody sends me. It has nothing to do with you or any other individual.

Nicky P: You, you, I, you know what? I, I'm glad that I am just anybody in this world there, Brian. Thank you so much.

Brian Pritchard: Oh, in a group thread. It's not like you sent me a fucking personalized note, you know, and they'd be going, "Here you go.

Brian, I thought of you."

Nicky P: You would... Yeah, it wouldn't have been your thing one way or the other. That's why I sent it to the group thread. I've just got to bust your balls about it.

Brian Pritchard: To my earlier comment, in a way, I'm not looking for new music, right? It, it like, I don't know. Yeah. It, it, it, there's... With movies, I definitely am.

I'm, I'm, I'm looking for new movies Even as a collector, you know, w- that's always been a funny thing over the years, is like y- I own hundreds of titles, right? And it's like, "What are we gonna watch tonight?" And you're pulling up, you know, Netflix and just being like, "Eh." But even there, I, I don't usually browse for movies, in that platform either.

I don't, I don't know. My, my methodology for, for what I watch in the Film Front tends to be a sort of intuitive following of a thread, a loose thread, with, while making allowances for connections that I didn't see coming, right? I'll give you an example. I've found myself twice this year... I, I recently watched Death Becomes Her, and then I watched A River Wild, and I didn't watch either one of them in order to watch Meryl Streep, but now that I did watch those two Meryl Streep performances and liked it, had a good time at both, I'm sort of going in my mind going like, "You know, I haven't watched her in Deer Hunter in a minute."

Deer Hunter is fucking great, and she's great in it, right? So, like, Deer Hunter wouldn't have come up except for the other two, and then I haven't watched it yet, but, like, is it possible that that'll just lean into sort of a, a mini Streep marathon, right? Of, of just then pulling up and scrolling through her IMDb.

I mean, Devil Wears Prada 2 is out right now, but I'm not really interested in that 'cause I cannot abide Anne Hathaway. Otherwise I would consider it, but, she really sucks.

Nicky P: What's, what's your issue with Anne Hathaway, out of curiosity?

Brian Pritchard: I find her, tremendously untalented and unengaging. I, I think she sucks, and I think her screen presence sucks.

And, yeah, I, I mean, I've seen her... She's in a lot of movies.

Nicky P: She was in The Princess Diaries.

Brian Pritchard: I just, I don't dig it. And, and, and, one that comes to mind that is, is like a laughably bad performance where you go, how did you make this movie and then go on to be a star of any sort? Have you ever heard of a movie called Havoc?

Nicky P: I know of a sweet band named Havoc, but n- no.

Brian Pritchard: She, and I'm trying to remember the o- the other actress is somebody else you'd recognize. But the whole movie is about, like, these rich white girls who want to go, like, date Hispanic gang members, you know, 'cause they think it, it's cool. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And, like, get in over their heads. It's got... I r- I remember that the head of the tough, like, Hispanic gang was Fredrico from Six Feet Under, w- 'cause that made me laugh too, right? It's like he's the sensitive, you know... Did you ever watch Six Feet Under, the HBO series?

Nicky P: No. Premium cable. Wouldn't have had it.

Brian Pritchard: He was like a, a sensitive makeup artist that, that was like the most gifted at restoring dead bodies or whatever on, on, because it's a show that takes place in a funeral, funeral home. That's a great series.

Nicky P: Yeah, no, I hear what you're saying. I know, I know of it, and I know it's supposed to be really good.

It's one of those things that never crossed my, my path. Now, what I can say is having you describe this movie Havoc, there's zero chance I would've ever watched that movie. Just even premise alone, I'm like, "Yeah, that's not for me."

Brian Pritchard: I don't remember exactly what led me to watch it, 'cause no, it, it wouldn't have been something that I watched because I expected it to be good.

You know what I mean? Like no, certainly not. There must've been something-

Nicky P: It would've had to have been a lot of like full-frontal nudity on the cover for me to care.

Brian Pritchard: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and, and, and to your point, that it, it honestly could've been just that simple, that like-- That, that's an in- interesting phenomenon unto itself that has also gone away, is that, mainstream movies used to be kind of pandering to perverts a little bit more than they, than they do now.

That there's like multiple other outlets, and it's rare, it's rare that, I feel like a movie is specially made for horny dudes. Isn't that sad?

Nicky P: Well, hey, and they stopped selling, so, you know, they can choose to do what they choose to do. You can deal with reality or you can pretend it is not as so.

Brian Pritchard: Well, in a, in a way I don't object.

I don't object to the, the idea that, um-

Nicky P: I'm, I'm not going to a- apologize for my penis and the, what it does to my brain. Sorry. No,

Brian Pritchard: No, no, no. That's not where I'm going with it. What, what, what came into my mind is that I did, I d-

Nicky P: I'm not gonna pretend that Thor wasn't naked for half of a movie...

Brian Pritchard: I, I have empathy, where, i- is what I wanted to communicate for what has mostly been women over the years being, I, I, I assume pressured to various degrees.

I remember hearing in, in some bonus feature years ago, like, one of the schlockmeister guys, Alan Ray or somebody like that, you know what I mean? Sitting there and being like, "Ah, you know, breasts, the cheapest special effect." You know what I mean? And, and just sort of going like, "Oh my God, that is it, isn't it?"

Right? Like, that you didn't have to spend any money, you just had to, like, convince, like, a beautiful young woman to get undressed, right? And, and, I'm not, I'm not, again, also trying to say like, "Oh, it was all victims and tragedies," or whatever. But I, I, I, I, I think that there are people who are in... I have sympathy for women who are trying to become actresses that maybe don't...

I don't know. I mean, I guess on the one hand for men and women, leveraging their attractiveness can be part of the job. There's also character actors that have, like, a weird face or s-

Nicky P: I was listening to Scarlett Johansson bitch about this in particular the other day, and, "Oh, in the early 2000s, you know, there weren't the roles for women that there are now."

Like, well, actually Hollywood is collapsing and there are hardly any roles in Hollywood because there's no sh- film studios making money. There's like a quarter of them that there used to be. So, yeah, there actually are far less roles, and you seemed to do pretty all right, Scarlett Johansson, during that time period, and didn't seem to have a lot to say at the time.

Brian Pritchard: Well, and, and what's weird is that apparently the, the good roles she's picking now are in the world's worst fucking dinosaur movie or something. You know what I mean? Like-

Nicky P: Yeah, exactly...

Brian Pritchard: Um- And,

Nicky P: And by the way, she did interesting roles. She was in freaking Ghost in the Shell. Like, you, you did things that weren't just to be hot.

Brian Pritchard: It's a weird jump to make, but just to try to summarize the thought succinctly, when Louis was talking about jerking off in front of, female comedians and not clocking at the time that even though he was asking permission Right? That, that maybe he was putting them in a bad, uncomfortable spot where, like, they, they were just aspiring comedians that they, they were on the road with him.

They were excited about what the opportunity meant in terms of furthering their careers, and then to have this other overlay is, like, the kind of thing that at the very least you sort of go, like, "Oh, man, that fucking sucks." You know what I mean? Like, and, and that's what I'm talking about in, in the realm of going, I like the idea that somebody could wanna be an actress and not, like, have every job be like, "Show your tits."

So let's get to that. Like, and, and I say that as somebody who loves looking at, at women. You know what I'm saying? Like, so both things can be true. I just think it's, it... Like, somebody should have the freedom to pursue the career they want without needing to, to be sexualized. That's all. Like, if they choose to is one thing, but I, I feel like it was maybe more of, a forced assumption.

Like, "Hey, if you're gonna play in this game," like, you know. I don't know. I don't know. I think there was more of an ugly side that hopefully has, has receded a-

Nicky P: Oh, I mean, I, I, I th- but the thing is, I think the side gets even uglier than that. Like, let's not pretend how much Like, while people are cagey about it, how much child abuse happened in that time period f- like, kids being taken advantage of.

Like, even if you don't wanna go all the way and believe sexually despite, like, looking at how, how many of those actors turned out and trying to believe that nothing horrible sexually did happen to them, which I'm personally inclined to believe that it has. Like, it- that was an abusive system in general, to pretend that, like, it only is abusive to one group.

And maybe I think men deal with abuse differently, that, like, it, it, it manifested in a different way. 'Cause you've got peop- you have plenty of men that have been abused in Hollywood. Brendan Fraser, Terry Crews, like, they've openly talked about the abuse. I think men, it's, abuse is different culturally to men because you're, you know, kind of programmed to ignore when you're being abused in a lot of ways.

So it's, it's just a weird, fucked up system to begin with that, you know, unfortunately on the end of it is, hey, there's these beautiful things that we li- we like to watch. One of the things that, like...

Brian Pritchard: And, and also even to, again, last night's conversation, I like to assume that artists gathering together in pursuit of this, you know, endeavor, h- has that beautiful sentiment happening in, into it as well.

The, the, the idea that, like other institutions, like the church, like Scouts, h- the entertainment business ends up being another institution where predators seem to recognize opportunity, right? And seized on

Nicky P: It. I think you're actually even short-changing it there.

Brian Pritchard: I don't think it's an, an inherently, like, natural side effect of just people fucking gathering.

It shouldn't be for fuck's sake, you

Nicky P: Know? Well, no, it is. That's the, that's the thing. It's not a people gathering. You're forgetting the important thing. It's power. Power will always draw sociopaths. Look at our fucking government. There's not a normal, sane person anywhere near the top of our government.

To get there, you have to be a cutthroat lunatic, period. Like, you would never, you would never endure the things it would take to get to the top of government without being at least a little bit crazy enough to deal with that shit. And so, like, why is it gonna be any different where the, the peaks of all of the money in our culture go to?

Why, why would that not attract people that are fucked up and crazy too? And You know, I, I think, you know, you wanna be in a Fortune 500 company, you wanna be in the, one of the top CEOs, you know what it takes to do that. Like, it's just power. Power will always create fucked up situations unfortunately, because that's just what it does.

You know. One of, like the, the Louis CK thing is always weird to me in that, okay, you went to a comedian's fucking hotel room, and you're going to avoid the fact that there are male-female dynamics and pretend that, I guess, that that's not a thing. I don't, I don't typically invite women back to my hotel room.

Brian Pritchard: I don't like that line, dude. I mean, that, that to me drifts into you shouldn't have worn that dress territory. Not to be a prick about it, but I, I, I don't, I don't think that it's, I think that it is okay to leave allowance for somebody, yes, being naive. Sure. I can leave room for that, to say that somebody found themself in that situation with naive, with naivete involved, sure.

Nicky P: No, no, okay. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to blame- I'm not, this isn't a blaming the person thing. This is a your parents fucked up if they didn't teach you that, period. If, if you're not aware that that could happen, somebody in your life didn't teach you right. Like, like when I, I talk to my women about- I

Brian Pritchard: Don't know, man.

Like again, like if, if, if, if, if we're on tour and like I guess we're, you know, I don't even I'm just saying if we ever went on tour with, like, a young group of, like, female musicians, I wouldn't... I, I would like to live in a world where they could feel comfortable hanging out because we're all, yes, hanging out in this hotel.

It is also a bedroom, yes, but it's, it's also a hangout, you know? And, and, uh-

Nicky P: I, I would never even be in that situation. I would not be in that room period. Just because it's too easy for something, someone to say something happened that didn't or, you know. Then I'm gonna p- like, and more importantly I, I, I would lobby my friends to not be in that position.

Just fucking even the temptation of like that. Like, am I gonna go through all my friends, "Are you in any way attracted to these younger women that are touring with us?" Are you gonna, you gonna lie about it or what are you gonna do? You gonna hide it? Are you going to pretend that it's not a real thing?

Like, it's, it just seems like a bad situation happening.

Brian Pritchard: No, but like, like any number of other, like, fields of discipline, I think of that movie Human Nature. I don't know if y- Have you ever seen that one?

Nicky P: Sounds familiar, but offhand I'm not realizing it.

Brian Pritchard: Where, they, they find the guy who's been, like, basically living as a caveman in the modern world, and they try to teach him table manners and shit like that, right?

But, but there's a whole sequence in there where, they're try- they've got an electric shock collar on him, and they're showing him pictures of, you know, pornography basically, and he keeps running up and, like, attacking the screen and, like, humping the screen, and they're going, "No!" You know, and shocking, giving him an electric shock.

And, and, and it strikes me as like a, a funny, simple representation of going, yes of course we walk through, the world at any given time having perhaps sexual or violent urges or any number of things that are absolutely inappropriate for a civilized society, you know? And, I just don't wanna lean into the fucking shit, the ugly shit of it all.

But yes, I also don't wanna be naive in a way that makes people vulnerable. So yeah, I mean, having, having my own teenage daughter, entering the adult world, yeah, there's, there's certainly that talk about, not fucking trusting anybody ever, you know what I mean? Like-

Nicky P: Well, I mean, I mean, I- e- e- even without this, you know one of my biggest conversations with my wife, and my wife and my daughter always is spatial awareness.

Just know and understand what's going on around you. Th- yeah, sure, 90% of the people you meet in a day might have the best intentions for you, but it only takes one with bad intentions, period. E- e- even, even, I mean, I don't know if I would say what, what we had were necessarily bad intentions, but his intentions certainly didn't align with the intentions of the people that were going up there, and he fucked up his whole life by having, you know, m- poor intentions for somebody else or not aligning I mean, I, I would always say always lean into more communication than not.

Like, but you know Now do I think, I will also say, do I think Louis's a fucking creep for what he did? 110 fucking percent. Like, the, the idea of just, like, jerking off in front of a woman you barely know, yeah, it's a fucking creepy thing. Like yeah, you're a creep. Do I not like him because he's a creep? Eh.

Brian Pritchard: See, and even in that respect, I, I wanna go back to that, like, other people's peccadilloes. Like, I, I use that expression, "Don't yuck somebody else's yum." The, the, the... Conceptually, people can be into whatever they're into. You know what I mean? And the idea that he got consent, it's like I, I, I, I, I nod my head at, at the thought process in a way, and maybe that makes me an asshole, right?

Not, not at the particular, It's not my interest, right? But I, I sit there and I go, "No, like, that was what you were into. You weren't trying to, from your perspective, impose. That, that's just what you were into, and you were looking for somebody that wanted to play that game with you," right? And, and that's sort of what, what everybody's doing sexually or otherwise, is we're, we're trying to communicate with each other about what games we're willing to play with, w-...

I, I am at least. Like, I'm always dancing around going, "What, what kind of games you wanna play, Nick?"

Nicky P: I had a conversation with a f- a friend of a... I had a conversation with a friend of mine the other day who's really into tango, and he is very much a modern, you know, Gen Z. And I was... You know, there's this whole part of tango which is the, the ask, and it's like a, there's a way you, like, look at someone to, like, kind of go through this whole thing and it's like, it's all very non-verbal.

But like- You're, you're rely- like, okay, well now that you're c- you're starting to muddy the waters. Like, what is this in, informed consent or not, not informed consent, what is it called? Like, affirmative consent. You know, when you start... It's like part of the mystique of certainly the attraction to people is the, the, the just, oh, they just knew.

Like, it happened, or the, the organic nature of, you know, everyone's just hoping, man, you get in that moment and everybody in that moment just knows. And you may think that you're in that moment, and the one person is, the one person isn't, and now, oh, you just sexually assaulted me, you know? It, it's... But do we want that moment to go away for everyone that that's a genuine, like, positive moment for?

I- i- if the, for the few times that it's not? It's, it's such a slippery fucking slope to me.

Brian Pritchard: Well, I, I think setting, setting, setting is the overlay. Setting, right, is the answer to that question of, of where, where it, it, it becomes a distinction, right? Like, I'm, I can't lean over the counter. I've, I've had flirty moments with a store clerk before.

Never sat there and leaned over the counter, you know what I mean? Leaned in for a kiss, you know what I mean? Not once.

Nicky P: Now, now, now, now let's say, let's say you hand her a, a, a, hand her the key card to your, hotel room and invite her up. Now, don't you feel as though she's answered some of those questions for you?

But,

Brian Pritchard: But she's not a colleague. She's not... You know what I'm saying? It's like she's still... I, I, I'd say that, that the way we approach the general public in general public sort of settings is different than the workplace. It's different than, you know... And, and in a way, something like the hotel after a show is almost still, I think, falls under that umbrella.

If your coworker's on a trip together, you know what I mean? Like, then just keep your dick in your pants.

Nicky P: I, I don't, I don't agree. Yes, we do lie a lot when we're in those.

Brian Pritchard: So is, is the great tragedy that people don't get to pursue workplace romances, and you look and go, but what about all the, the great things that have instigated?

I mean, I don't know. I suppose, like, no matter what rules come into play, the people that, like, have that level of true like, "No, we actually are on the same page," those fucking worlds are gonna collide and couldn't be stopped anyway, you know what I mean? Sometimes, you know, the magnets are just really insistent, like, "No, we're gonna slap these two together."

I mean, shit, Nick, do you remember how you and I met?

Nicky P: I don't know. Did I come onto you at the, at the bar?

Brian Pritchard: The end, yeah. No, no. No, I bring it up just 'cause of how random and fortuitous it was, right? That, that, um- The, the story is, we'll bury it here at the end of, of this random episode. The story, the origin story, sir, is, we had a gig booked.

Brian Noel got in some trouble and couldn't make the show. The logical thing to do would've been to cancel the show, but I didn't. I, I, I went ahead and wrangled the who was available, which I think might've been, like, me, Jim Groves, and Connor. That might've been the night even that we did, like, an acoustic trio.

A one-- Believe me, one-off, right? Like, acoustic trio performance. But, like, I didn't cancel the show. I went to the show, and at the old, you know, Foundry, um-

Nicky P: You, you were opening for f- you were opening for Farley's band, right?

Brian Pritchard: Yeah, and instead of bailing on him, we, we still did it, and Kevin introduced us.

I don't know how you ended up there, but, I always joke and think even though Farley likes me and I think he likes you, too, I think we're both probably a lot for him. And I think he was basically just going, "I'm gonna make these two talk to each other and so I don't have to," and I'm forever grateful.

Nicky P: Proba- probably. Oh, yeah. What a, what a f- funny way. Uh-oh, look who I got, someone willing to join the room, so.

Brian Pritchard: I know. I know.

Nicky P: All right. Well, that means I guess this episode is, is called to a close so we can record with our, our good buddy Luke for another, another thing indeed. Take it easy, folks And

Brian Pritchard: We're turning it into music and podcast for you