Intro: Brian's been watching The Outsiders [00:00:00]

Brian Pritchard: We came from celluloid, and we're turning it into music and podcast for you.

Nicky P: Welcome, everyone, to another episode of We Came From Celluloid. I am Nicky P., here as always with the illustrious, the elusive, the immediate, Mr. Brian Pritchard. How we doing today, Mr. Pritchard?

Brian Pritchard: I am indeed immediate. I am right now.

I am here now. Be here now. Yes.

Nicky P: A great Oasis album.

Brian Pritchard: Great Ram Dass book.

Nicky P: So we didn't actually talk much about what we were gonna talk about today, so today is going to be the Easter egg of episodes. What do you, what do you been having on the mind? You know, we're, we're, we're all deep, you and me, in scheduling this here tour.

Which I think by the time this actually comes out is gonna be, like, a month away, maybe, maybe two, or maybe a little over that. But, but, what is, what's on your mind? What have you been watching? What have you been listening to?

Brian Pritchard: Sure, sure, sure. No, a cou- couple things that I'd love to share with you that are top of mind.

I, hadn't watched The Outsiders in many, many, many, many years, despite us having this, you know, "Pony Boy" song, and got this, like, hits of the '80s, you know... Anyway, I, I picked up a new physical media thing that had a copy of The Outsiders complete novel, which our engineer, Michael Seifert, did the audio mix for, right?

He, he went back and, and Coppola sent him all of the original sound elements and stuff, and the mix that is on The Outsiders complete novel version is from the same guy that mixes our songs, right? And that's, that's a fun bit of synergy as well. But, the excitement is there's a commentary track on there.

The Outsiders complete novel cut + engineer Mike Seifert connection [00:01:30]

I already listened to Coppola's, which is really good, but there's one on there which is Patrick Swayze, Ralph Macchio, Diane Lane, and C. Thomas Howell. The, the four of them are in a room together, and then they separately recorded with Matt Dillon and separately recorded with, Rob Lowe- And as far as, like, a collection of people on a commentary track, 'cause I am that kind of movie nerd dude, like that was something where I'm genuinely, excited and being like, "Ooh, I can't wait to get back to the commentary track that I started," you know?

But, but unfortunately, life and business are so busy at the moment that I have so little time for my commentary tracks and it's... And you know, there's some sadness there certainly, but yeah, at the moment I do need to prioritize these things like generating revenue. That's going fairly well. I don't wanna talk about business shit especially.

Commentary track as cinema nerd heaven: Swayze, Macchio, Lane, Howell, Dillon, Lowe [00:02:30]

I, You know what I did last night, Nick, is I got impatient. I got impatient and worried about CD Baby stuff, right? And, and, and how slow they've been to respond and all this other stuff. And I wanted to go in and, and, make sure there was nothing wrong with the billing info, and there's no way to do that, without kicking yourself to the back of the line, you know?

A- anyway, all that to say I, I did last night just go, "Fuck it, I'm gonna spend the 30 bucks on the get this released in the next 48 hours option. I'm tired of waiting." So I, I hope that, as that was only like 12 hours ago, I hope that, like, by this time tomorrow it's finally real. Certainly by the time this episode airs, my word, it should finally be real.

But yeah, I was talking to Noel yesterday about merch drop stuff, you know what I mean? I'm trying to handle that on my own, but that will probably be something I need to, to ask for some help with. But yeah, I, I wanna make sure we're going out, you know, with, with some, some T-shirts, possibly some CDs just 'cause it's the cheapest thing to do even though, uh...

I love- I, I would still buy a CD in a heartbeat and I, I guess in a way any number of the people who are coming to see us potentially might, might feel that way. I like the keychain idea. J- Joe, from IREWYRM, girl makes keychains for them. He brought that up and I think I'd, I'd sent you the text being like, "Ooh, can we do Puma Thurman as, in the Pussy Wagon font from, Kill Bill?"

I think would be a perfect fit for our brand and, you know, if, if we could get, you know-

Nicky P: The design isn't difficult, but the, production, as long, as long as you know someone who can produce them, that's, that's the issue

Brian Pritchard: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I brought it up, is that, that that's apparently something that she already did for them, so I, I wanna get a quote on those.

Venture Brothers commentary tracks and the joy of offhand ideas becoming canon [00:05:00]

And, I, I think again it's like, oh, that's, that's actually kind of a, a legitimately cool table item to have for the band. You know what I mean? Yeah, so.

Nicky P: I- it's, it's funny you mention, commentary tracks. You know, not to go too far back in your little spiel there, but yeah, I've actually listened to my Venture Brothers commentary tracks more than the actual episodes because Doc Hammer and, Jackson Publick were just so freaking funny together.

Like, just those two talking. And like, when you listen to commentary tracks, it'd make later seasons funnier because you'd hear these things that came up as, like, little ideas during commentary tracks that they highlighted there, that later become parts of the show over the, the, you know, the, the seasons and the movie and whatnot.

You know, they'll make a joke about like, "Oh, what if we had this ki- this character in there?" It's this little silly idea. And then all of a sudden what was just like a little offhanded remark four seasons ago the show becomes a full-fledged character. That stuff's always, like, so joyful to me. I don't know why we're using your CD Baby at all when, like, I have a full label, thing to DistroKid that I don't use at all, which allows me to...

It takes care of so many releases, like, a- at a time, and I, I don't ever use it. So like it would, we could be costing zero dollars to put it online.

Brian Pritchard: I wanted everything in one place. I don't know. I, that's, that's, I, I, I have all the other stuff there, so it's helpful to have it in one place.

Nicky P: I, I, I get, I get that.

Yeah. The only reason I've never brought it up is for that reason, but like it, it, to the extent that it starts taking like weeks to actually do anything and them not responding to us, I'm like, "Yeah, no, I'd like to just do this with a place that doesn't ask me questions."

Brian Pritchard: No, I, I, I think I, I, I, I've made a couple mistakes, Nick.

One, one, one is that I think the card I originally used despite... I went back and looked because, again, it, it, it felt to me like it was taking unusually long. I did go back and look. I think that the credit card that I used, after I put it in, then suddenly went, not over limit, but like there wasn't actually still 60 bucks necessarily left on there.

CD Baby distribution drama + the DistroKid conversation we should've had earlier [00:06:30]

And even though it gave me a confirmation and stuff like that, like that's what I was getting in my head about. And, and I looked up then last night and on Google, and it was like, oh, does CD Baby wait to charge until they publish? You know? 'Cause in fact, as soon as I noticed that, that, that had happened with the card, that, like, another charge had gone through and then, and not enough was freed up, I made another payment on that card and I'm going, "Well, well that should do it, right?"

If, like, are they continuing to try this card and, and maybe that's unsuccessful? So, you know, not that I'm trying to defend CD Baby by any... That's not my, my point, is that, like, I, I, I genuinely was going, "I might have messed this up." Unfortunately, we live in a world where it's not a phone call away anymore.

I feel like the fact that their name is CD Baby means that they probably, unlike a service like DistroKid, they're probably only being used by guys like me that had a relationship established and have continued that relationship. My guess is nobody new is going to CD Baby. Maybe I'm wrong, right? But, like, probably not.

So, so I have some anxiety about going, does all of this go away? Does my loyalty th- to them end up putting me in a spot? But I would think if they shut down as a company, that they would have the decency to come up with some sort of, succession planning, exit strategy, sell their catalog to DistroKid. I mean, most companies try to do shit like that when they, when they, drop the ball, but not always.

But def-

Nicky P: I'd imagine it probably would just be picked up in the end and, like, bought out as a competitor and then gutted. Like, that seems like the most likely thing.

The cloud problem: when your music platform folds, does your music exist? [00:09:00]

Brian Pritchard: Who knows with any of it? I mean, that, that's the same problem with, with, with YouTube or any of it, right? Is going... Ultimately, any of this cloud-based stuff, none of us truly have control over somehow guaranteeing that our music won't evaporate from the fucking planet at a certain point in time.

That, like, let's go a step further and say with certainty it will evaporate from the planet at some point, you know? That, that it's hard to make it truly future-proof, right? For anything we put out.

Nicky P: Well, that's just, that's just the internet in general. As a for instance, what is it, a year and a half ago, Google, like, is who I've, I've used to buy my domains from forever because it's Google.

Why wouldn't I just buy my domains from Google? Sold all of theirs, all of their domain stuff to Squarespace. It's a Squarespace I've never had a particular desire to have a relationship with, all of a sudden owns all of my domains, and I have to go there whenever I have to do anything. And what used to be a fairly simple and seamless process with Google is now a slightly more involved process.

And, like, they only had it over the domain stuff, so, like, some parts of, like, the ownership of my websites is handled by Google, but not the actual domain registration and stuff like that So yeah, and exactly to your point, like, just when you're in the internet world, you never know, hey, one day this may be a different company and you're gonna have to deal with whatever happens when all of a sudden they own all of your stuff, or own, own responsibility for all of your stuff, whatnot.

It's, definitely a weird one.

Brian Pritchard: Yeah. I've thought about, this concept before of different types of legacy projects, right? And graveside QR codes, for the sake of simplicity, right? That it would be intriguing to be able to visit a graveyard and scan something at a particular gravestone that then told me that person's story, right?

Graveside QR codes and the funeral home legacy project idea [00:11:00]

And, I think that as a product, that, if, if I was running a funeral home, that's what I would be putting in front of every single person who's going. So somebody who is coming to me proactively going, "I wanna buy my plot, I wanna buy my headstone, I wanna buy the, the, my thing," I'd be going, "Cool, cool, cool.

Let's set up a time to do a, narrated slideshow as well. Why don't you send me all of your photos and we're gonna put together a simple PowerPoint presentation, and then I'm gonna have you come in and we're just gonna click through those and you're gonna reminisce, you know, and talk about your life."

You know what I mean? Like, just even something as simple as that, right? Of, of somebody going, "Yeah, I, this was my time on the earth. This is, this is what I did. This is who, what I cared about. This is who I loved. This is what I made, during my time." I think that appeals to people on an almost universal level, right?

That, that people wanna feel like their, their time, their contributions, their life had, had, had, had meaning. And, that- that's one of the ways I, I, I think that creative expression, you know, appeals to people. To creators in particular is, is this idea of the, it going beyond our time, you know? That, that, that, I wanna be able to reach 200 years into the future with, with a song that we make.

I mean, is that ego? Is it hubris? Like, maybe. I just know that, like, in the same way that I've talked about those cave paintings and stuff like that, that, that are, you know, whatever it is, like 35, 40,000 years old, right? And going, "So somebody, somebody was, was making a picture of a bear?" You know what I mean?

On a, on a wall. Why? It, it wasn't f- to put it up in an art gallery. It wasn't really to show it to anybody. But, like, did they have that same notion of, of going like- I hope somebody sees this and talks about it on a podcast 40,000 years. Like, you know what I'm saying? We are, so, so therefore it's not impossible that somebody's talking about Puma Thurman like 40,000 years from now.

That's bizarre, you know? But maybe. But the cave painting, for fuck's sake, is not in, living in the cloud. It's etched in stone very, like, in a very real way. I don't know how to do that with our, our work, you know what I mean? I don't know how to etch it in stone.

Nicky P: So many things are going through my head right now, as far as that concept goes and how easy I think it would be to actually pull a living product together.

Cave paintings: the only truly future-proof archival format [00:13:30]

We need to run with that, Brian.

Brian Pritchard: Oh, as a sellable item, I've set, I've set calendar reminders. Cut this out of the podcast, you know? Don't let anybody steal that shit, you know? I know, I know. It, it is a legitimately good, sellable idea that to execute on would fill me with joy. It would be a pleasure to be a part of that project for other people, and to get to peek into their legacy projects.

Like, everything about it is-

Nicky P: I'm just imagining actually getting people to, visit freaking, graveyards and things like that. Like y- y- boom, y- y- imagine the, the spinoff apps, like where you go out to collect almost like Pokémon. You know? Boom, you go and collect the, QR codes of different types of people and stuff like that.

Gamifying graveyards (yes, really — like Pokémon) [00:15:00]

You could actually gamify like the second tier of this in an effort to get people to actually care about the past.

Brian Pritchard: Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. To me it would happen somewhat organically 'cause you've got those people now, you know what I mean? That, like I love a g- a good graveyard. You know? I really do. It's, it's a very...

It could, they could be... For good reason I think people, it's a weird analogy to say like golf courses, but you know, th- th- these are plots of land that I think it's not coincidence that in many cases are quite lovely, you know? My, my, my dad drove me over to, his, the family plot that he bought in Westlake, you know what I mean?

I've, I've seen that spot and I've seen why he picked it. Yeah, no, it's, it's, It's interesting stuff to contemplate, but, but part of the fear comes up of going like, yeah, you could take the time to do that, and then, what if the link is no longer valid? You know what I mean? That the QR code goes to, right?

Like so- somebody needs to maintain the hosting and like all of that stuff, and then it becomes part of, of what goes into-- I've already thought about this for my own like, estate planning work, you know, which I actually, I, I, will admit I, I don't have that stuff created. I don't have those documents created currently.

I, I have life insurance, but I, I actually don't have a will that allocates that stuff or, or sits there and says like, "Hey, the, 15 years of voice memos in my phone, can somebody make sure that those get to, to, to Nick and Brian Knoll to do something with if I get hit by a bus tomorrow? Can somebody please be the steward of all this undeveloped material so that it doesn't just, fade with me?"

You know? That, I don't-- You know, th- there's a sadness around something being lost in, in time. There's something beautiful about it as well. To bring it back to The Outsiders, that, that Robert Frost poem, I didn't remember, being, being the impetus, I guess, for, for that quote, right? The, nothing gold w- can last.

The Outsiders, Robert Frost, and Nothing Gold Can Stay [00:17:00]

Nicky P: Did we, did we not have that conversation at some point, you and I? 'Cause that's always been my connection with that, was I- I

Brian Pritchard: Mean, maybe, but it still, it still hit differently at the moment that it was performance, words, and music because that's the fucking power of cinema. Even if you brought it up conversationally, it's still like at the-- And it's funny because that movie's honestly like kind of cheesy at times, you know what I mean?

But it's, it's so achingly sincere, you know what I mean? Across the board. And Coppola's no cynic, man. He is no fucking cynic. He, he, he's the real deal, man. He's, he's an artist. He, he's a passionate, dreaming artist, storyteller. I love the man, you know? I think it'll be a, a great loss when-

Nicky P: Well, well, yeah.

Ben Folds' "Army" and Nicky's redneck past nipping at his heels [00:18:00]

So as I was saying, but that, that was actually my, always my connection to that movie was like I was a huge Robert Frost fan when I was a kid. Like I just loved his poetry. It's very wrapped up in the world that I come from. Like I, I I bring it up all the time. Like Ben Folds, whether or not I like the guy and his politics, I-- he happened to write one of the most meaningful lyrics in the world to me in his song "Army" in which he says But my redneck past is nipping at my heels.

And while I've always been someone who kind of did my best to escape, you know, the small town agrarian type world that I come from, there's a certain degree to which it's like the older I get, I realize how awesome having that background is, and this thing that, like, I've, I've tried most of my life to shun will always be a part of who I am.

And it's, it's just a weird sort of thing to have to kinda, to grapple with. Like, you know, when I was young, I always kind of dreamed of being, you know, the, the city kid and going to the theater and being a part of the arts and all that stuff, and, you know. But there's always gonna be a part of me that's like, "Yeah, but you're still kinda white trash, so, you know, whoever you wanna be, you're really the guy you are."

Brian Pritchard: That's, that's, you know, got some sadness to it as well. The, the, the funnier sentiment that popped into my head to tell you, in response to that was just going, "Oh yeah, I got to meet Hillbilly Nick," as you and Levante were, you know, talking about your tent camping, you know, approach to touring. You know what I mean

Just be like, like, "All I need is a stick of beef jerky and, a rock to lay my head on." I'm like, "Who, who the fuck are these people?" You know?

Small towns: quaint to outsiders, just home to people from there [00:19:30]

Nicky P: Oh, no, dude, I mean, I, I love it. Like, yeah, that's, that's definitely... I, I like I said, most of the family trips that I've taken, like, almost always the first leg of the trip will involve getting to the destination, sleeping in at least one, like, you know, roadside stop or whatever.

We'll just pull off the road, sleep in a rest area for the evening, and then finish the trip the next day. And then usually we wait till the day, like, when we're on our way back from wherever we, our destination was, to use, like, Airbnbs or camping and stuff like that. Usually it's camping 'cause it's cheaper and more fun.

Less people to deal with. But, you know, the idea being it's like, "Oh, we're gonna catch all of our, like, rest and relaxation on the way back. I just wanna get to this place and do this thing." me and, me and, me and Levi actually had a good conversation yesterday, when we were walking, kind of about just, like, the whole The whole travel thing and like what it is and what it means, and the, the, obviously, the obvious differences between your experiences in travel and ours.

Like, yeah, we, we, when we talk now, like, you can tell that you're, you're used to kind of stopping when it feels natural, I guess, in a, a trip. Whereas I normally have every exit and e- every specific gas station on the specific exit planned out that I'm going to stop at based on my trust of particular, my trust of particular franchises to maintain bathrooms and things like that.

It's like, "Oh, I'm never just gonna pick a random gas station. I'm going to pick the gas station that has the best chance of having showers and, you know, that kind of stuff."

Brian Pritchard: You're a Sheetz enthusiast, yeah.

Nicky P: Oh, no, no, no. I mean, I actually have a, a, a piece of software on my phone specifically does this.

It'll, like, let you plan every break that you take, how long you plan on being br- stopped there, and, like, does all the numbers calculating when you should be where at every e- exact time. It is quite nice to, like, when you're trying to, like, be places on time to, like, say, "Oh yeah, well, well we thought we were gonna be here, but then we didn't, then we forgot, oh, we're probably gonna have to stop every three hours to get gas and take a break, and how long is that really gonna take?"

Tour prep and the road trip philosophy divide [00:22:00]

Stuff like that.

Brian Pritchard: Yeah. I, I think that by myself especially, just as a traveler, right, if, if you sat there and said, "Hey Brian, let's go on a cross-country road trip together," just, you know, not musically related, but just as travelers, I absolutely do have the capacity to go lean. You know what I'm saying?

I, I don't think that I'm a diva from the standpoint of, I'm sure I am, probably regardless of my own opinions, like, you know, from your or Levi's perspective, anything I say almost, like, would be still, like, like, "No, dude, you're pretty fucking fancy." But it's

Nicky P: Like- Mr. Hoi Polloi over here.

Brian Pritchard: I'd like to think that my needs are pretty, like, yeah, low-key.

And, and, and, and truly sleeping in the vehicle at a rest stop, from a, like I said, a scenario like that, a lone traveler or with my buddies, that, that would feel different than s- than, than with the, the family. Yeah, no, I don't know why, but, but, but I guess if there's, there's the safety side of things, there's the comfort side of things.

Like, I've certainly been budget conscious, you know, in, in my own ways. Like, we as a family never really took any trips that- Required flying just because it's like, yeah, by the time that you're dealing with the flight tickets and the rental car, it's just such a big chunk of money that it's like, now I just can't even go.

You know what I mean? Like that, that, that amount of money and you haven't even left yet. You haven't dealt with hotels, you haven't dealt with meals. Just the, the plane and car rental part, I would always just be inclined to shift over and go, "If that money exists, why wouldn't we just have a nicer time at a location closer to home?"

You know what I mean? Kind of thing. And, but, but as a result, I've never been to some places I really wanna visit, like Twin Peaks country out in Seattle and, Los Angeles. You know, I've never been, been to either one.

Nicky P: So yeah, I have no interest in any kind of travel other than, like, playing shows places.

It was actually kind of funny. I, I was watching, Gabriel Iglesias talk to, I think it was, Shay Shay's podcast the other day, Club Shay, whatever it is there. But he, was talking, he's like, "I don't... Like, I don't vacation." He's like, "You know, for me, the idea of vacation is just, it's, it's opening the door for somebody else to outwork you and take what you have."

Gabriel Iglesias doesn't vacation and Brian thinks that's insane [00:24:30]

And he's like, "I don't want that. Like, I want... You know, I worked hard for what I have, and I wanna keep it, so I'm never presenting the opening for anyone to, you know, take, take something from me." He's like, "Now, I might, you know, pack a day or two on the end of something since I'm gonna be a place to, like, take advantage of the fact that I'm there.

But, like, just the idea of going on vacation, it's like if you see me in Hawaii or you see me at some, like, place in Europe, it's, it's 'cause I have a show. That's the only reason I'm there." And it was like, wow, so at least somebody else, like, f- feels the same way I do about this, you know? Um-

Brian Pritchard: Honestly, that, that seems like a really miserable way to live life, you know what I'm saying?

It sounds so paranoid, you know, that, that the world's not waiting with, with, you know, fucking knives out to be like, "Let me steal what you built." You know what I mean? That's, that's fucking crazy.

Nicky P: Oh, no, no, it absolutely, it absolutely is. But that being said, for me, it's just like, why, why, why do I need to leave home?

I've built a home that I love where I'm at. Like, I don't need to go places. I don't need other things. I have my family, everything that I give a shit about here.

Why Nicky has never needed to go anywhere [00:26:00]

Brian Pritchard: No, but, but, but do you ever, do you find a, a pleasure in, sightseeing? Doesn't seem like it. Okay. Yeah. I just find that pleasurable, and it doesn't have to be very far.

Nicky P: Well, you have a hobby... You have a hobby that translates into that. For me, it's like I like nature

Brian Pritchard: Yeah, but that came later, you know what I mean? The, the, the movie location stuff came later. The, the, the, What I'm talking about is, like, even in Ohio, we've got a lot of these little small towns. Like, ma- Wellington, Ohio, comes to mind, where it's just like, ooh.

Or you'll drive through these where it's like, this seems like a quaint old town, like that fucking Children of the Corn town we're talking about visiting, right?

Nicky P: Well, I grew up in a quaint old town, so I know what they all look like. All my friends grew up in a quaint old town.

Brian Pritchard: And, and there's something about those that, that, that just seems, like, preserved in time.

And, and maybe, maybe that's the thing, right? Is, is that you acknowledging that it was, like, where you came from, where you were trying to get away from. Maybe you don't see 'em and go like, "Ooh, what is this magical place?" You know? So much as it's sort of like, "No, I know what that fucking place is," you know? I don't-

Nicky P: Yeah, I know the reality of the mystery.

It's like, yeah, it looks like a quaint town to you, but like, I hate to give him the credit, but yeah, but I, I also realize, yeah, this is like Stephen King's Under the Dome. Like, I know what really goes on in those little towns. They're just... The... I've had too many friends move places, and the story that everyone tells you is, "No matter where you go, there you are."

And the bottom line is, is like, no matter where you are, like, every, every place is pretty much the same. Like, some things will change as far as, like, you know, types of people and what's around you, but, like, you're, you're still dealing with all the same stuff. So it's like, for me, it's the, the appeal, I guess.

The only appeal to me of ever going anywhere is, like, to play shows and experience that with people. That's the thing I could, I could like to bring with other people. I did wanna also go back, and you said safety when referring to, like, not sleeping in your car. And I just wanna say, Brian, we've both seen the movie Barbarian.

Being away from family for the first time and what that means [00:28:00]

So I don't know how safe you feel in any Airbnb anymore.

Brian Pritchard: The curveball, I suppose, of just having, you know, all four of us, two children in the back. Something about that, like, setup never felt good to me. But, no, you know, I, I, I don't ever wanna sound judgemental of what other, brings other people joy, you know what I mean?

But, but yeah, no, I, I, I... For me, I couldn't disagree more. It's, it, it feels like a big world worthy of exploration. I'm, I, I feel like there will never be enough time to see all the things and do all the things that, I would like to do with, with my life and, and, and time. You know, that, that, One of the things I feel fascinated by, even at these, like- rest stops, right?

I get a charge when I pull off on a random rest stop because something in me goes, "This isn't a random rest stop to some people. To some people, this is like my local Speedway is," or you know what I mean? Like, this is the, the spot they see every day. This is the street they're on every day. This is the, the, the, you know what I mean?

This is their world. And every place I visit is somebody else's home and entire world. And there's something about that that intrigues me too. I, I, I feel that way just driving around looking at houses sometimes. I'll see a house and be like, "There's a whole life. There's a whole world going on at every single one of these."

I'll be on the highway going in one direction, and you see all the cars that are coming at you on the opposite side, and it's like, "Where are all of those people going? What are their lives like?"

Nicky P: I have the same thoughts except for I don't care what their lives are largely. I want them to take their lives and enjoy them and I'll enjoy my life.

Yes, I see those same gas stops as, oh, wow, this is this dude's nine to five job because I've had friends that work nine to five jobs. My little brother worked at a Valero once. And to me, it's like, oh, this is no mystery. This is just like the same thing that exists where I'm from, I guess. I don't see the amusement so much.

I'm glad that you do. One of us does. So it's even back to the idea of me ever saying, hey, let's just go on a road trip. I would never in a million years ever suggest going on a road trip without some type of goal at the end of it. Like, hey, let's go see this one place and do that. There's nothing the road has for me that home doesn't.

In fact, many things the road doesn't have that home does. I mean, hence why I have my own issues necessarily about going on the trip, leaving my wife and daughter behind because I haven't spent a day away from my wife since I met her. We've just always kind of been together. So it's a very weird thing to have to kind of grapple with for me in my 40s here.

Wrap-up: excited for the road [00:31:00]

Brian Pritchard: Well, I think it's beautiful and I'm excited to see how it evolves for us as individuals and as a band and as this unit. This is an exciting chapter, you know, so I need to get on the road myself to get out to a 10 o'clock business meeting that is 45 minutes away.

Nicky P: My trainer is calling me as well. So thanks for hanging out, everybody.

We'll talk to you again next week.

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